{"id":96966,"date":"2017-10-03T09:39:09","date_gmt":"2017-10-03T07:39:09","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/batijournal.com\/?p=96966"},"modified":"2019-07-15T12:10:50","modified_gmt":"2019-07-15T10:10:50","slug":"interview-exclusive-de-bruno-lechevin-de-philippe-pelletier-rehabilitation-durable-leviers-massifier","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/batijournal.com\/index.php\/interview-exclusive-de-bruno-lechevin-de-philippe-pelletier-rehabilitation-durable-leviers-massifier\/96966\/","title":{"rendered":"Interview exclusive de Bruno L\u00e9chevin et de Philippe Pelletier : R\u00e9habilitation durable, quels leviers pour massifier ?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>\u00c0 l\u2019occasion du 6e Congr\u00e8s national du b\u00e2timent durable, \u00e0 Dijon-Chen\u00f4ve le 6 octobre 2017, Bruno L\u00e9chevin, pr\u00e9sident de l\u2019Ademe, et Philippe Pelletier, pr\u00e9sident du Plan B\u00e2timent durable, ont r\u00e9pondu aux questions de Plan\u00e8te B\u00e2timent sur les enjeux de la r\u00e9habilitation durable.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Plan\u00e8te B\u00e2timent : Nicolas Hulot, ministre de la Transition \u00e9cologique et solidaire, a fix\u00e9 comme objectif d\u2019\u00e9radiquer la pr\u00e9carit\u00e9 \u00e9nerg\u00e9tique en 10 ans. Sachant que nous avons du mal aujourd\u2019hui \u00e0 tenir les objectifs des pr\u00e9c\u00e9dents gouvernements, que faut-il mettre en place pour y parvenir ?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Philippe Pelletier :<\/strong> \u00c9radiquer la pr\u00e9carit\u00e9 \u00e9nerg\u00e9tique r\u00e9pond au moins \u00e0 quatre diff\u00e9rents enjeux : 1) \u00e9cologique, car une maison qui chauffe l\u2019air ext\u00e9rieur, ce sont des \u00e9missions de gaz \u00e0 effet de serre importantes et que l\u2019on pourrait limiter facilement ; 2) \u00e9conomique, car ces m\u00e9nages disposent d\u2019un reste \u00e0 vivre tr\u00e8s faible et am\u00e9liorer la performance \u00e9nerg\u00e9tique du logement conduit \u00e0 des \u00e9conomies de charges ; 3) sanitaire, car la pr\u00e9carit\u00e9 \u00e9nerg\u00e9tique induit des conditions de sant\u00e9 difficiles, et plusieurs \u00e9tudes, \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9tranger comme en France, ont montr\u00e9 l\u2019impact sur la sant\u00e9 des occupants ; 4) et enfin social, car la carte de la pr\u00e9carit\u00e9 \u00e9nerg\u00e9tique se superpose \u00e0 celle de territoires p\u00e9riurbains et ruraux, o\u00f9 les habitants se sentent trop souvent abandonn\u00e9s par les pouvoirs publics.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bruno L\u00e9chevin :<\/strong> Quand on est dans une perspective de transition \u00e9nerg\u00e9tique, ne pas traiter s\u00e9rieusement la question sociale serait antinomique avec notre volont\u00e9 de construire une soci\u00e9t\u00e9 plus \u00e9quitable, plus respectueuse des ressources, plus solidaire. R\u00e9ussir cette \u00e9volution suppose d\u2019embarquer tout le monde, y compris les plus fragiles. Les pr\u00e9caires \u00e9nerg\u00e9tiques sont de plus en plus nombreux et, aujourd\u2019hui, un Fran\u00e7ais sur cinq est touch\u00e9. En faisant de la lutte contre la pr\u00e9carit\u00e9 \u00e9nerg\u00e9tique une priorit\u00e9, le Plan Climat contribue \u00e0 une insertion digne des populations fragiles dans notre soci\u00e9t\u00e9. Les moyens publics mis en \u0153uvre pour inciter \u00e0 la r\u00e9novation thermique n\u2019ont jamais \u00e9t\u00e9 aussi importants : CITE, TVA \u00e0 taux r\u00e9duit, \u00e9co-PTZ, CEE, soutiens de l\u2019Ademe et de l\u2019Anah&#8230; Pourtant, les r\u00e9sultats ne sont pas \u00e0 la hauteur des enjeux. Il faut donc renforcer notre action.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Philippe Pelletier :<\/strong> Cette multiplicit\u00e9 des dispositifs pose \u00e9galement question. Nous ne pouvons plus nous permettre de souffrir du manque de lisibilit\u00e9 et de coordination entre ces diff\u00e9rentes aides. Il est maintenant essentiel de traiter efficacement la question de la gouvernance si l\u2019on souhaite atteindre les nouveaux objectifs du Plan Climat : le changement de braquet est absolument n\u00e9cessaire !<\/p>\n<p><strong>Que devons-nous traiter en priorit\u00e9 ? Quels sont les leviers \u00e0 activer ? Quelle est la place des territoires dans cet ensemble ?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Bruno L\u00e9chevin :<\/strong> L\u2019urgence sociale, c\u2019est de permettre \u00e0 chacun de s\u2019\u00e9clairer et de se chauffer dignement, il faut donc aider financi\u00e8rement ceux qui ne peuvent pas le faire. Mais il ne faut pas que ce soit un puits sans fond. La priorit\u00e9, c\u2019est de permettre la r\u00e9novation des logements de ces populations. Le Gouvernement s\u2019est engag\u00e9 \u00e0 publier \u00e0 la rentr\u00e9e une feuille de route. Outre l\u2019\u00e9volution ou la cr\u00e9ation d\u2019outils centr\u00e9s sur la performance \u00e9nerg\u00e9tique, les propositions porteront sur une gouvernance et un pilotage renforc\u00e9s et coordonn\u00e9s des actions publiques en mati\u00e8re de r\u00e9novation \u00e9nerg\u00e9tique. Le gouvernement se fixe l\u2019objectif de la disparition des 7 millions de \u00ab passoires thermiques \u00bb en 10 ans. 4 milliards d\u2019euros du plan d\u2019investissements seront d\u00e9di\u00e9s \u00e0 ces actions. Un accompagnement proposera, \u00e0 chacun, une solution de r\u00e9novation et de financement adapt\u00e9e. Les premiers audits auront lieu d\u00e8s d\u00e9but 2018, afin que les travaux puissent \u00eatre termin\u00e9s avant l\u2019hiver 2018-2019. C\u2019est au c\u0153ur des territoires que se d\u00e9clinera cette politique. La mobilisation de chacun, et au niveau local, des collectivit\u00e9s territoriales, s\u2019impose pour r\u00e9ussir \u00e0 relever le d\u00e9fi.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Philippe Pelletier :<\/strong> Si nous visons l\u2019\u00e9radication des passoires thermiques chez les m\u00e9nages tr\u00e8s modestes, c\u2019est-\u00e0-dire environ 2,7 millions de logements, cela revient \u00e0 multiplier par trois les objectifs actuels assign\u00e9s au programme Habiter Mieux de l\u2019Anah (100 000 logements \u00e0 r\u00e9nover en 2017), alors que ce chiffre semble d\u00e9j\u00e0 difficilement atteignable. Ce changement d\u2019\u00e9chelle n\u00e9cessite, sans doute, une approche davantage industrielle du sujet. Il faut accepter l\u2019id\u00e9e que des offres \u2013 aujourd\u2019hui port\u00e9es par des acteurs priv\u00e9s \u2013 peuvent nous aider \u00e0 traiter plus de logements et \u00e0 \u00ab massifier \u00bb notre action, et cela en parfaite compl\u00e9mentarit\u00e9 avec le programme Habiter Mieux. Bien entendu, le r\u00f4le des territoires est primordial pour accompagner cette mobilisation de tous. Ce sont les collectivit\u00e9s qui ont le pouvoir d\u2019agir au plus pr\u00e8s de nos concitoyens.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/batijournal.com\/planete-batiment-n50-a-lire-gratuitement\/96964\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Retrouvez la totalit\u00e9 de l&rsquo;interview dans le magazine plan\u00e8te b\u00e2timent n\u00b050 en libre acc\u00e8s&#8230;<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Interview men\u00e9e par St\u00e9phane Miget<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00c0 l\u2019occasion du 6e Congr\u00e8s national du b\u00e2timent durable, \u00e0 Dijon-Chen\u00f4ve le 6 octobre 2017, Bruno L\u00e9chevin, pr\u00e9sident de l\u2019Ademe, et Philippe Pelletier, pr\u00e9sident du Plan B\u00e2timent durable, ont r\u00e9pondu aux questions de Plan\u00e8te B\u00e2timent sur les enjeux de la r\u00e9habilitation durable. 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